I just stopped myself...

[brainofck]

...from wanking. At least publically. Heh.

But that said more weirdness over at mckay_sheppard. This time, someone asked for classic "gay Sheppard" moments from the show, and someone else responded, all mature and junk, that the only thing that makes a guy gay is having a sexual relationship with another guy, so it is all OMG stereotyping to look for and catalog "gay" moments or behaviors or whatever because you can't know he's gay until you catch him in flagrante with another guy, I guess.

Dude. As a fan of the shows, I am often annoyed when people try to slash the actual episodes. These shows portray close male friendships, and why do people feel the need to trivialize that by trying to turn every close male relationship in to OMG GAY!

And yet, I enjoy slash in fan fic, and practically ALL I read is m/m.

So. Perhaps one should remember that in this community and this context, the POINT is to make the characters gay, by whatever means necessary. Cause the writers certainly intend either for 1) the characters to be straight (see Sheppard's many on screen flirtations with women, and Rodney's relationship with Katie, not to mention Jack and Daniel's marriages and later heterosexual relationships) or 2) for us to read between the lines. If we were all mature and stuff, like that person reminds us to be, we wouldn't get slash at all. What's the point of getting all lecture-y with a gay friendly community like this, when the whole point is well... Let's not repeat ourselves, Brain. You said that already.

Anyway. I had to write it somewhere. *grumps*

Man. This is two days in a row where community behavior kind of ticked me off. I suddenly feel very lucky (again) about the fact that in the circles where I usualy travel, people are mostly well-behaved and respectful and live-and-let-live.

Comments

[tejas.livejournal.com]

There ya go. Bein' all self-controlled and rational and stuff.

[writinginct.livejournal.com]

Uh, cookie?

lol...seriously though, I think people get all uppity over nothing here in virtual reality sometimes. (ie pitching a fit over "Gay moments") ::rolls eyes::

It's funny when I watch my two favorite shows (NCIS, SG-1) there are definitely moments where I go "huh, the slashers are gonna be all over that" just because an on screen moment fuels that fire.

In my own mind anyway I see three separate things when I look at a character. There is the actor, obviously, which to me is to be left alone, RPF squicks me out entirely, they simply give us a visual and a set of characteristics to work with. Then there is the on screen/canon character. And then finally beyond all that is the character that lives in fanfiction. And in my world, never the three shall mix. They are completely separate things.

Just my two pennies :D

[emeraldsword.livejournal.com]

As a fan of the shows, I am often annoyed when people try to slash the actual episodes. These shows portray close male friendships, and why do people feel the need to trivialize that by trying to turn every close male relationship in to OMG GAY!


I completely agree. I can love slashing a character without any 'evidence' to back that up in the show. So, having read all the responses to that post (and felt quite sorry for the original poster) I can agree that John's portrayal shows him to be uneasy with women who are sexually attracted to him, and I agree that he and Rodney had a very sudden and very intense relationship from season one (though, did anyone else think that his reaction to Teyla's news was partly jealousy on his part?) but I just can't see him as the biggest queer that ever flipped a wrist or whatever.

Really, on balance I felt that OP's post was fine and the responses were out of order (especially as it was fic research too and as someone said in the comments, as long as you think it is in character for Rodney to make such a list then political correctness doesn't have to come into it).

[zats-clear.livejournal.com]

What. Wait. You mean I can't watch an episode of SG-1 and decide that Jack and Daniel are boinking off screen during the commercials?? But, but *sputters* it's all there in front us! It's so obvious!

*Zats has been hauled off for a tune up and lube job. We will return her to her upright position in time for take off. Please turn off your cell phones during the movie*

[tejas.livejournal.com]

I'm with you. ;-) I love looking for the subtext and can't really slash characters without it.

[ferret-kitty.livejournal.com]

(and felt quite sorry for the original poster)

As said original poster (*waves to muck_a_luck*), the only thing that bugs me is the fact that no one answered my question.

Yes, I get that there are stereotypes associated with slashing characters, but I'm actually asking for those for a reason (which no one bothered to ask me) and those stereotypes are actually what I wanted. *sighs*

I know there are people out there who look at every episode and go "OMG, Sheppard/Rodney/Ronon/Teyla is SO GAY," and I was trying to reach out to those people because I don't generally do that and I wanted a quick and dirty list of the evidence that they have for those claims. *sighs* Oh well.

Thanks for your support!

[mresundance.livejournal.com]

I find it amusing that (presumably) a goodly number of straight women are sitting around arguing about what it is to be a gay guy, fictional or otherwise, in a sense.

Hm.

*gets popcorn and chair to sit and watch*

[brainofck.livejournal.com]

Ah. But that is the nature of slash fanfic, isn't it? A bunch of middle aged straight women, large proprotion married with kids, imaginging two hot guys getting it on? Or, depending upon fandom, a bunch of teeny girlies imagining two hot guys getting it on. I sometimes want to point out my porn to my gay male cousin, but I do not, because I have no idea if he would just laugh his ASS off! :D (I know for certain that he *did not* think ANY of they guys in LOTR were that attractive/hot/sexy/whatever, which means that his processing of an attractive guy and my processing of an attractive guy are clearly *not* the same. One has to just presume that we might not go the same route on what's hot porn...)

That said, humans are social beasties. So even thought we might not BE a certain person socially, we can usually identify that person, given certain social cues. Otherwise, how could we interact correctly? I can figure out a guy is married (or he can figure out tha I am) and we don't go out on a date. I think it is legitimate for people to discuss what might be social cues given out by two characters to indicate that they might be interested in men, or a certain man, rather than women. I mean, we make those judgments about straight people, too. I can pick up cues that tell me that my female friend is interested in a guy. Why not look for similar cues from a male friend?